This episode was recorded on December 17th, 2021

Tammy Peterson welcomes guest Jonathan Pageau to explore topics in the realms
of meaning, spirituality, and mysticism. Tammy and Jonathan dive into the hidden symbolic meaning of the crucifixion of Jesus Christ, the importance of suffering, the results of sacrifice, and the necessity of a relationship with God.

Jonathan Pageau is a French Canadian symbolic thinker, YouTuber, editor of the Orthodox Arts
Journal, an eastern orthodox icon carver extraordinaire, and explorer of how (underlying)
symbolic patterns emerge, develop, and finally manifest in religion, art, pop culture, etc.

Find more from Jonathan Pageau on
Twitter:   / pageaujonathan  
YouTube:    / jonathanpageau  
Instagram:   / jonathan.pageau  

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[00:00] Tammy introduces Jonathan Pageau
[04:38] The crucifixion and the cross itself
[09:38] The relationship between the cross and repentance
[10:53] Finding surrender and acceptance
[14:09] The relationship between the cross and glory
[18:00] Life of Moses by St. Gregory Amisa
[19:16] Understanding service
[24:14] The importance of suffering
[26:33] The pain of the crucifixion
[30:53] For something to exist there has to be sacrifice
[32:38] Poetry about the crucifixion
[33:26] Christ as the serpent
[36:44] The power of suffering and results of sin
[39:32] Bringing God into relationships
[43:06] Self will, surrender, and being with God at all times
[46:40] Ester Harding and the moon
[47:21] Struggles of recent years
[48:56] The danger of travel and importance of meditation
[52:16] Outro