For the first time as a duo, Justin and Jamey sit down for a special episode on tough love —from friendship to envy and hard-to-swallow advice— nothing is off limits. They delve into the heart of masculinity, and personal growth as they explore vulnerability as an untapped strength among men, share personal anecdotes of growth and self-awareness, and confront the often overlooked necessity of self-care amidst the call of service to others.

Justin shares his challenges with self-acceptance and his desire for approval. Meanwhile, Jamey is challenged to spend more time in silence and find true joy in the “nothingness” of life. Tune in for a masterclass in the art of friendship, introspection, and emotional courage.

Timecodes:
00:00 - Episode Begins
03:19 - Justin offers Jamey some “tough love”
06:52 - Can you find joy in stillness?
14:06- Jamey didn’t like Justin at first.
16:50 - Jamey sees Justin for the man that he is
21:20 - Children can inherit “self-doubt”
22:58 - Justin had a really lonely childhood
26:01 - Justin is afraid of being confident
28:15 - It’s powerful for men to express their love and respect
29:32 - What would the world look like if boys grew up knowing that men were safe spaces?

Quotes:
“Recently, I've been starting to experience some of what you experienced and some of the way you live your life. And suddenly, recently, joy is becoming more of my default. And I know that would be impossible without having you as my best friend.” - Justin Baldoni

“Friendship is in the nothingness.” - Jamey Heath

“I whisper into the ears of my kids, I tell them there's nothing that they could ever do to make me not love them. That they are enough just as they are.” - Justin Baldoni

“I'm on a constant journey to remember my enoughness. That's why I wrote the book and that's why I said in the book that I have not arrived.” - Justin Baldoni

“You do something really special, which is speak to the human heart. Certainly spoke to mine.” - Jamey Heath


HOSTS:Justin Baldoni and Jamey Heath

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PRODUCED BY:
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Executive Producers: Justin Baldoni, Jamey Heath, Tarah Malhotra-Feinberg, Marc Pritchard, Anna Saalfeld, Chris Corcoran
Producer: Kayla Nicholson

This conversation was recorded in September 2023