Dutch Defense Minister Kajsa Ollongren spoke with the Kyiv Independent during her visit to Kyiv on March 20 to discuss what the EU can learn from Ukraine's war experience, the state of the European defense industry, and what is needed for Europe to defend itself.

00:00 What contribution is the Netherlands making toward air defense in Ukraine?
01:50 EU shells deliveries?
03: 15 Can Ukraine win?
04:12 F-16s timeline
05:25 Ukraine as a testing ground for drones?
06:57 Future of European defense industry
08:55 Priorities for a potential EU Defense Commissioner?
10:00 Integration of armies in Europe
10:30 NATO and Trump?
12:30 Peace talks?