Gary chats about how he started off in retail with the Littlewoods Catalogue Group shops, before seeing the potential of selling computer games software, and starting his own business. He later landed a job at Ocean Software and turned their fortunes around with a series of sensible business decisions, as well as gaining some fantastic (and some not so successful) licensing deals. He also discusses the evolution of what was at the time the largest and most successful UK games publisher, and it's eventual demise through a hostile take over bid.