On this episode of the podcast, Ryan talks to Malcolm Gladwell about his new book The Bomber Mafia (which is an exploration of how technology and good intentions collided in the heat of the second world war), their mutual love of endurance sports, the critical infrastructure that surrounds art and culture, and more.

Malcolm Gladwell is the author of five New York Times bestsellers including The Tipping Point, Blink, and Outliers. He is also the co-founder of Pushkin Industries, an audio content company that produces the podcasts Revisionist History, which reconsiders things both overlooked and misunderstood, and Broken Record, where he, Rick Rubin, and Bruce Headlam interview musicians across a wide range of genres. Gladwell has been included in the TIME 100 Most Influential People list and touted as one of Foreign Policy’s Top Global Thinkers.

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