Winston speaks with best-selling author, clinical psychologist and leading public intellectual Dr Jordan Peterson. They discuss the role of artists in society and the state of the arts today. What is so original about Dr Peterson’s work? How hopeful is he for universities? Is it the duty of the privileged to serve the oppressed? And, among other things… Ronaldo, the Book of Revelation, the New Atheists, the Queen’s personality traits and how the energy crisis will end in apocalypse.

// CHAPTERS
00:00 – Introduction
00:24 – Jordan's stand-up, and British comedy
04:06 – Why is Jordan writing kids' books?
17:10 – Maps of Meaning: was it 'new'?
26:48 – Is there any hope for our universities?
30:32 – The Peterson Fellowship: what is it?
37:13 – Can you separate Foucault's private life from his work?
50:41 – How far is being cancelled a spiritual experience?
01:01:13 – What's a healthy way of helping the oppressed?
01:14:37 – Is being cancelled easier for rich people?
01:18:59 – Russia vs Ukraine: Peterson's prediction
01:24:13 – What does Peterson think of the Queen?
01:25:17 – On meeting Cristiano Ronaldo
01:46:41 – What damage have Hitchens, Harris and Dawkins wrecked?

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