Jamie Bartlett is an author and journalist primarily known for The Spectator and The Telegraph. He is a Senior Fellow at Demos and was the Director of the Centre for the Analysis of Social Media at Demos.

Iain Martin is a political commentator, author and public speaker. He writes a weekly column for The Times and is co-founder, editor and publisher of Reaction - a news site providing analysis and opinion on politics, economics and culture.

This video was filmed live at the Alpine Fellowship 2022 Symposium in partnership with Bard College through the Open Society University Network and supported in part by a grant from the Open Society Foundations.