Editorial cartoonists have impacted politics in America since the days before the revolution, when Benjamin Franklin commented on the disunited state of the British colonies in his famous "Join or Die" drawing, to Thomas Nast in the 19th century taking down Boss Tweed's corrupt Tammany Hall political machine, to Herblock observing that Nixon had a "moral 5 o'clock shadow." In Pittsburgh for the last quarter of a century, it's been Rob Rogers lampooning presidents on both sides of the political aisle for the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette including, of course, Donald Trump. But it was his abundance of Trump cartoons that got Rogers in trouble with conservative Post-Gazette publisher John Robinson Block and editorial page director Keith Burris, leading to his controversial firing earlier this year. A CNN editorial called Rogers dismissal "Orwellian" and a "frightening omen." In this episode of Primal Interviews, host Paul Guggenheimer sits down with Rogers to discuss what has become of this former Pulitzer Prize finalist and what will become of the art of political cartoons in America, particularly in this time of Trump.