If you've climbed in Indian Creek then you've more than likely come across Heidi at some point out there. She's the one who owns and lives at the Dugout Ranch. 15 years ago when I make Luxury Liner I interviewed Heidi and put it on my DVD as "extras" I recently watched it and everything she had to say is still very relevant if not more relevant to the Creek and thought I should post it for people to watch. We as climbers have a responsibility to the land and she points it out very clearly the steps we can take to help preserve the area.