NPR host Steve Inskeep interviewed the former Vice President, whose new memoir, “So Help Me God,” recounts his life up to the moment when he refused to overturn the 2020 election defeat of then-President Donald Trump.

Asked whether he still considers Trump a good man, Pence replied at considerable length without ever saying that he did. He said only that Trump had authored important achievements but was "wrong" on Jan. 6.

"I truly do believe that only God knows our hearts," he added. "And I'll leave it to others to make their own judgments."

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