What if the biggest threat to liberal democracy isn’t authoritarianism - but our failure to build?

On today’s episode we’re joined by journalist Derek Thompson to unpack Abundance, a new vision of progressive politics co-authored by Thompson and Ezra Klein.

In it, Klein and Thompson trace the political, economic, and cultural barriers to progress and propose a path toward a politics of abundance.

Derek Thompson is a staff writer at The Atlantic, host of the Plain English podcast, and the author of the international bestseller Hit Makers.

Carl Miller, writer and fellow at Demos, joins Thompson to discuss the book, and everything from housing policy to the failures of de-growth.